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23 October 2008 - 12:55pm
#1
Common sense I suppose....
The best recyclers I knew were my grandparents - they lived through the depression and re-using things. They didn't ask for a medal. Maybe that's it. It should be part of things, not a special thing. If we fail, we die out and the earth will find another species to change it a bit more.
24 October 2008 - 11:30am
#2
what can be done
It is relatively easy to reduce our energy consumption by 50% I work as an energy auditor and I see atrocious house design coupled with gross energy consumption habits. Houses can to some extent be retro fitted to halve the rate of loss of heat and new houses could be built to need almost no heating and cooling using simple principles of thermal mass inside, insulation outside, solar gain through well placed windows. They do not need the large quantities of embodied energy seen in some of the so called eco designs, where they rely on large quantities of concrete and masonry for thermal mass for heat stability. Thermal mass can be from water, earth, or phase change material. You can retrofit houses to increase thermal mass by building trombe walls of glass or perspex bricks filled with water or, even better phase change material. You can get better solar gain from having reflectors like Derek Wriggley encourages. There are simple systems that cam pull heat from a tiled roof by sitting some insulated transparent material over the tiles and pulling down the heat with a small fan. There are lots of ways to improve energy efficiency of houses but people seem to be able to find 20 000 dollars for renovating a kitchen but not for improving their energy efficiency
Unfortunately there is a large inertia from the building industry and also peoples perceptions of what a proper house looks like.
Transport can be improved. A push bike has to be the most efficient form of land transport. Small electric vehicles weighing in at less than 100Kg are possible for medium distance commuting using composite structures and modern batteries for those who can't ride a bike. Transport of many goods is ridiculous. I see truckloads of soft drinks going down the highway. Our economy is in an awkward position from our balance of trade. If we halved our petrol and deisel usage, that alone would bring us back into the black instead of running up more debt
Much of our food can be grown locally with more efficient use of water than growing crops by irrigation in areas with two to three times the pan evaporation rate. Nutrients can be recycled. We expend enormous amounts of energy creating nitrogenous fertiliser and enormous energy denitrifying the sewerage. We overturn environmental restrictions on mining phosphate on Christmas island and have algal blooms from excess phosphates in our waterways
As for the energy production, if 10% of the money poured into nuclear had been put into solar thermal and geo thermal, they would be up and running, including storage of solar thermal.
The technical problems are minor, the economics are there. It is the social inertia, vested interests and political will that is the impediment.
Robert
26 October 2008 - 7:31pm
#3
Some of the housing
Some of the housing solutions that Robert Dalton proposed sound fascinating but the first challenge is getting info out about this to the average householder, in a way that allows them to separate real solutions from expensive green marketing gimmicks.
The benefits (environmental or otherwise) of riding pushbikes are relatively well-known, even if they don't get the takeup they deserve. On the other hand, how many people know about trombe walls or reflectors? People can't act to implement these solutions if they don't know about them, so the first issue is one of communication.
Robert, if you (or anyone else) can recommend any websites that have good info about how to retrofit existing houses using the methods that you've suggested, I'd love to hear about it (as a homeowner who'd like to put some of suggestions into practice). Obviously I can Google it but often it's quicker to get advice from someone who has a bit of background knowledge :)
30 October 2008 - 8:04pm
#4
Coal
Tim,
The fastest way to get rid or minimize global warming is to reduce coal fired power stations and move to solar energy and other forms of renewables. I just cant see any Australians giving up eating meat and becoming vegetarian which we all know would help the situation as beef production causes huge energy loses and much more. I really feel that the big 6 cylinder cars that arent fuel efficient should be made more expensive to register at a state level. This would also help.
18 December 2008 - 8:41am
#5
Solar panels
BBBaz Melbourne
I hope you will allow an AGW denier a say on this site. I saw somewhere recently that those that are confident of their facts relish a debate.
I haven’t seen any calculations of the energy and the associated emissions required to produce solar panels . Maybe solar panels should be labelled with the amount of energy to produce them and then the “solar miles” required to bring them to Australia. “Food Miles” was a big thing in the UK & Europe with food labelled how far it had been transported to the consumer until Aussie farmers exposed it for what a wank it was. Landline had some good programs on this subject.
So here’s the go. Let China and others produce solar panels using their energy with its associated emissions. We then let foreign shipping companies burn tons of fuel transporting them to Australia. We can then use these solar panels to produce lovely, expensive, emission free electricity in Australia.
Unfortunately we do have to use some energy here to transport them to site, install, maintain and replace them in about 5 years when they are obsolete.
We then repeat the whole cycle again.
Me I am not spending one red cent on renewable energy. i am just looking forward to nuclear generated electricity coming to my house through a supply infrastructure that is already in place.
18 December 2008 - 10:10am
#6
debate welcome
BBBaz,
There's a couple of issues here. Firstly, solar panels do use energy to make, of course - everyhitng does! But for most of today's panels, they pay themselves back in generating clean power very fast. Panels have a lifetime of 20 years or more and pay back their embodied energy in months. Don't forget that there is a tremendous amount of energy used in mining and refining uranium to generated power.
Regarding the issue of panels being manufactured in China and imported into Australia -well, that's exactly the point! What we want to see is the solar industry in Australia given the certainty it needs to invest in manufacturing here in Australia.
12 November 2008 - 1:43pm
#7
simple: more efficiency, less waste
Some people won't change unless you give them a reason to, others won't until you force them to. Some because we choose to.
While it's relatively easy to adopt a new mind-set (in my experience), communication of the issues and choices continue to be in-effective (in my generation and those before me anyway, not sure about school-age youth).
For instance, as an owner builder planning to build my own home (and looking at what others are building) I have studied much literature about efficient houses but more importantly efficient living. Being in a fringe area electricity can be unreliable, I have no town water, no sewerage services, no rubbish collection, no public transport.
These very things lacking in rural area's are what city dwellers (the majority) have little appreciation of, and are contributing significantly to climate change. More importantly they are within our control for change and improvement.
Making a conscious decision to examine your options, the costs to you, costs to the environment and the benefits to the economy is the only way to make the rights choices to suit you and your family.
If you must 'consume' (like most of us seem to be inherently good at), buying products based on simple criteria can have an enormous effect. You'd be surprised how acting with your wallet can have an effect. For instance buying products of quality that last, that are produced locally, that are Australian owned, that are recyclable and that are appropriate for what you're using them for.
This is a matter of fundamental social change, and should be engineered via legislation to enforce better habits by the majority. Legislation needs to be amended to encourage good behaviour and punish bad behaviour.
1 January 2009 - 11:43am
#8
solar panel payback
BBBaz, most photovoltaics come with 20-30 year warranties. I don't know why you think they would need replacing every 5 years - that's incorrect. Most PV is made by companies who are in it for the long term and their products are extremely reliable; most solar panels made 20 years ago still work, and even if the manufacturing methods used then are headed for obsolescence - they're much cheaper to make now - the panels made then are still working fine. As for energy return on investment, reputable studies have shown the energy return to pay back manufacturing and installation at under five years for older technologies and as low as 2years for newer ones. I'm not sure about including links here, but the US Brookhaven National Laboratory's publication - "Photovoltaics Energy Payback Times, Greenhouse Gas Emissions and External Costs: 2004–early 2005 Status" - shows energy payback time of around 2 years for pv installations in southern Europe.
You might want to look at cost trends for nuclear as well as renewables - renewables have a sustained history of ever dropping costs, near now to parity with coal fired for wind and solar thermal as well as PV, but nuclear is looking at rising costs, so much so that even with guarantees from the US gov't on investments in nukes the costs are considered prohibative. When the anti-proliferation security costs as well as waste disposal and cleanup of nukes are considered, investment in renewables with an eye to longer term improved grid and thermal and compressed air storage looks a sound and sensible choice.
4 June 2009 - 5:33pm
#9
Solar Panel Payback
Ken
A number of the people who comment on these pages have looked at solar panels, and have shelved the idea when the true costs of installing surfaced.
It is true many retailers will supply and fit a basic system at low cost, although you will be out of pocket for a number of months until the Feds reimburse you. Some of the additional cost items encountered to make the system viable are advised by the retailer when they come to you home:
a. Stengthen roof structure if tile roof.(around $500)
b. New smart power switchboard (around $1,000 added to you next electricity bill )
c. Batteries to enable night usage ($2,000+)
d. Additional wiring for house not covered by basic installation (around $500)
e. Regular maintenance costs by the retailer to retain warantee (the bigger the system the dearer the maintenance)
There are potentially other costs, but the retailers just expect that you should already know the above charges.
As for the life of the panels, you may be correct that they will last for 20 years, but what about the companies who install them, and who are responsible for the maintenance and warantee. Most of the retailers have no track record, and have only existed for a year or 2. In todays economic climate there is a big risk that you will finish up with a system that is not covered by warantee or maintenance.
31 January 2009 - 12:03am
#10
4 May 2009 - 8:06pm
#11
Governments could pass a low
Governments could pass a low to ban all advertising lights between ... say 1am and 7am. I get frustrated by trying to save on power usage in my home when I know that cities and towns have advertising signs blinking and flashing all night. One huge coca cola sign would probably use more in one night that I would use in 1 month. No one would really be disadvantaged ... companies would just find somewhere else to spend their advertising dollar, huge amounts of energy would be saved and people living in cities would have the added advantage of seeing the night sky. It's a win win ... and most of all a win for the planet. The politition that has the guts to do this would be seen as a hero/ine.
16 May 2009 - 11:55pm
#12
You can't fight climate change, but you can adapt.
Climate change has always occurred. It's controlled by the sun. You can't fight it no matter what you do.
Like every other species we are subject to the whims of our environment. Unlike the other animals we can predict and prepare for the inevitable. Predicting the effect of climate change requires knowing which way the climate will change - cooler or warmer. Whilst it may wobble a bit over the short term (ie decades), in the longer term (ie many centuries) it is almost certain to get much colder next and we're looking at another Ice-age since the planet is overdue for one (based on geological evidence).
People who want to scare you, or want to "save the planet", or make money out of scare stories, or who have built a political career by pandering to the tree huggers (not naming any names of course) will try to scare you into thinking we're on some sort of tipping point into a hell on earth. If anyone were to show a mechanism by which this could occur and some observational evidence that it was occurring, then there would be no debate about it. Of course neither of these two criteria have been met because global warming is a fairy story. (See any non-greenie web site to find the truth of that if you doubt it.)
So basically there's no climate change impact to worry about, not in your lifetime.
We will have to adapt to climate change eventually, and there are two general areas to look for solutions.
Firstly we are overpopulated; reducing global population reduces the size of the problem to solve. A one-child policy in China, India, and in the western powers for 100 years would do a world of good in the long run.
Secondly, technology and commerce in the area of aquaculture will allow us to farm enough fish in the more thermally stable ocean to be able to get by regardless of what happens on land. And no one will complain about being short of Omega B then!
Existing buildings will have to be demolished or retrofitted to allow comfort in a cooler climate but there's nothing radically new about that. People will just get on with their lives as they always have.
Well, hope that's been reassuring, as the truth so often is not reassuring but it's nice to find an exception to the rule.
-Andrew M.






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